Alternate headline: Roy Kicks Presbyterian Fan Out Citing Baptist Leanings
If you have not heard by now, Roy Williams turned a 40 point rout of a college no one knew existed before Saturday into a full blown Roy Being Roy Moment. The video is here at WRAL and you can read my write-up of the incident over at THF where I quite brazenly pivot the controversy and take shots at both Duke and NCSU. Granted my back is sore from the stretching but it had to be done.
The basic story goes like this: Deon Thompson is set to shoot a free throw late in the 2nd half when a fan of the Blue Hose(yes, really) shouts for the UNC senior to miss it. Since the building was dead quiet, everyone heard the guy and Roy turned to see the gentleman seated 20 rows up behind the UNC bench. Some form of the words “Oh no you didn’t!” seem to emanate from Roy and he directs a member of the Smith Center staff to deal with the individual. The young man is promptly escorted out. Roy decides not to comment at great length on the issue in his postgame press conference having decided further elaboration would blow the incident up further.
Dan Wiederer at the Fayetteville Observer blogged on the issue initially, called Roy hypersensitive and made UNC SID Steve Kirschner sound like the Iraqi Information Minister. That drew a response from Kirschner who, unlike Annabelle Myers, loves to go Chuck Norris on people who speculate too loudly about certain things(ask Joe Ovies about that some time.) At any rate, Wiederer posted the clarification from Kirschner which said Roy did not have the fan kicked out but rather wanted to know the seats so Roy could instead go Chuck Norris on the UNC fans who(in his mind) were too sorry to show up for a cupcake game on a Saturday night and gave their ticket to an opposing fan. According to Kirschner, Roy sent the staff on a fact-finding mission and the fact they supposedly found was the individual in question was three sheets to the wind so they escorted him out.
No matter where you come down in this debate, the question that really matters is this: Should a hall of fame head coach waste his time and attention to target an opposing fan for expulsion from the arena because said fan yelled at one his players during a free throw? The obvious answer is, probably not. Why? Because, as Joe Ovies points out, Roy elevates said fan by letting him get under his skin. Had Roy simply ignored the fan or very subtlety asked a manager to find out whatever he wanted to find out then it is not Roy vs The Fan.
Now it is as the recently posted article on WRAL’s site illustrates. The guy who could have been some nameless dude that shouted during a free throw now has a name. It’s Brian King and he is from Concord, NC. Now that he has a name and a voice, he also has the sympathy of the masses like the rats in the lab when the intern decides they should have a names. Now there is “his” side of the story to tell which consumes another day’s worth of the news cycle. As it turns out, Mr. King is a 1996 graduate of Presbyterian College who did move to the seats in the 2nd half to sit with some friends from elementary school who had an extra seat. I am not going to comment about the veracity of his claims other than to say his friends from elementary school suck because in the video not a single one of them is doing a darn thing to stop his removal nor is there an effort to produce a ticket to show the seat was his. Now that Roy has afforded him the media’s megaphone, Mr King wants the world to also know what he doesn’t blame Roy, he was not drunk, he is single and likes romantic walks on the beach. Okay, I made those last two up.
The bottom line is Roy delved into something that was well below his pay grade. And if it did bother him so much, then he should have found a more diplomatic way of handling it than pointing at the offender then being seen directing his staff to take care of the person as though he was some political dissident in a third world dictatorship. I am not sure there was anything inherently wrong with Roy having the fan removed if he does not want negative things shouted at UNC players in their own building. The lack of PR acumen in Roy’s execution created a mess but this is Roy we are talking about. In some ways he has clearly entered in “Manny being Manny” territory. What Roy needs to understand is there are better ways to go about this. For example he could use hand signals to an elite group of ninja warriors hiding behind banners in the rafters who can covertly swoop in and take someone out. That is how you take care of these little issues. Getting your hands dirty in full view of the local TV cameras is never the route to go. Roy needs people who can handle these matters for him, quietly. Maybe some former players bombed out of the NBA. I hear Rashad McCants is available.
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LOL, total douche move.
On a related note, anyone have extra tix to the VT/UNC game in Chapel Hill on Jan. 10th? I have a few things I’d like to say to Roy from 50 rows up.
And therein lies one of the many unintended consequences of this: Opposing fans who get legit tickets to the game making themselves known to an alarming degree. Not to mention what kind of scrutiny UNC fans will be under at opposing arenas themselves.
Calling all vulchers, Calling all vulchers!
Heh, don’t let me and some of my Philly peeps in that piece. Pandemonium will ensue!
Other posters on other sites have opined that this incident was about Roy wanting to control everything in the Dome. I think it had more to do with his sticking up for his players (not that they need sticking up for, last time I checked). To me, this is akin to Dean Smith getting upset with an opposing fan for calling Charlie Scott a monkey or responding to the “J.R. Can’t Reid” signs. Sure, Roy could have handled it differently but it shows 1) he is passionate, 2) he will have his players’ backs.
“I think it had more to do with his sticking up for his players”
Yeah I’m sure Deon was shaking in his Jordan’s that 1 of the 7 Presbyterian fans there was saying “negative” things to him. Roy is playing “King of the Dome” and feels Presbyterian should know their place, as well as their fans. Do you really think he would try that against ANY ACC team?…no way. He is a douchebag.
Oh this is was just Roy being folksy. Now if Coach K would have done the same…….[shudders]
I don’t know about all that, PRGuy. Roy has no place exchanging comments with a fan, unless it is to say thank you to someone giving them credit. I don’t see this as an “at least Roy has his guy’s back” situation. I wasn’t there, so I don’t know the whole story, but unless the guy is saying racist stuff or screaming something else deplorable Roy needs to keep his back to him and ignore.
^You’re a douche bag. If it were your coach, you wouldn’t have a thing to say about it (most likely because you are one of the sorry ass members of State Fan Nation, who can’t even get REYNOLDS to half capacity). And just because Deon doesn’t NEED Roy to speak up for him it doesn’t mean Roy SHOULDN’T do it. A loud drunkard acting like a loud drunkard in the seats he shouldn’t be in got what he deserved, what’s the big deal?
My take:
1) Roy shouldn’t have engaged the fan for yelling, period. He didn’t handle it well. However, if I’m in an opposing arena and I sneak down to empty seats behind the home bench, that aren’t “mine”, then I start yelling at home players……. I expect something negative to happen, up to being asked to leave.
2) State/Duke fans I’ve talked to think this incident ought to be national news based on the stature of Roy. If Roy would have gone after him, then yea, but this is laughable actually.
3) More State fans have opined on this than actually attended their Reynolds game on Saturday. If I’m Sidney Lowe, I’d be pissed off as say……ummmm, Roy Williams at a heckler in the Dean Dome.
I agree PRGuy and Heels Perspective. Maybe this wasn’t the best reaction, but I’m not too upset. I think lately Coach Williams has been on edge because of this shoulder. Now, I’m not making any excuses for him, but I’m not too upset. If this guy was really drunk he should have been removed. Coach Smith did so much to keep alcohol out of sporting events and we should try to uphold those all that he did.
But really, lately opposing fanbases and media have been nit-picking Coach William’s actions. Could it be that other fans are jealous? Just wondering…
Here’s a little more to the story: dude was yelling during every foul shot of the second half, not just that one. Roy looked for him repeatedly and finally was able to pick him out during the Deon FT because he did something to attract attention to himself. Roy then pointed him out to security who decided to escort him out. Roy didn’t kick him out or make the decision to have him tossed, he simply told security to check him. Brian King got Brian King tossed.
Preach it smallandpettypat! I totally agree!
Pat, what is wrong with yelling during the opposing team’s free throw attempts? Seriously. If that is all you can lean on, then I’m questioning if this is really Pat over there and not some panty wearing Nancy. I’m just saying….
hehehehe
QQ, Deon-Weon needs big tuff coachy-woachy to make big meanie weave him awone. QQ.
Mike, I don’t think it was the yelling alone, from what I’ve heard, he was yelling obscenities as well. I think it was because of his location. Those seats are for Rams Club people. They are not for general sale.
Roy has always had a big problem with Rams Club people not going to the cupcake games and giving the tickets away. But basically, no opposing fans will ever be in those seats (unless Rams Club members bring a guest to the game, in which case they will not be acting like this guy). Because of this Roy figured he was not in his ticketed seat and that’s why he had security go check him out.
That said, Roy should not have spoken to him. That was a bad move, but having security check him out was fine to do, IMO.
The jackass who didn’t attend the Carolina game on Saturday, which allowed a free seat for Mr. King to sit and yell within spitting distance from Roy Williams, was paid a visit by a couple guys in Light Blue suits this afternoon and was forced to watch the past 3 seasons of N.C. State basketball. After observing the horror that is N.C. State basketball, the misguided fan quickly repented and vowed to attend all future Carolina games no matter the quality of the opponent.
^Bravo.
Wow. You are a P.R. Guy.
Have any UNX fans that are defending Ole Roy actually seen the WRAL video? The guy does not look drunk, and if they were Rams Club seats, then why didn’t the people drinking the wine and eating the cheese have him removed?
The video also shows that the cops were under the impression Roy wanted him gone becuase they certainly didn’t hesitate to kick him out.
Just another example of UNX’s snobbish, “I’m better than everyone else because the sky is Carolina Blew” attitude.
^First off, you are basing your opinion of the guy’s BAC on the video? Really? Do you actually work in forensics or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn last night? Secondly, the video shows the cops removing the man from his seats, that’s what happens when cops question you in an arena. If you have nothing to worry about you go back to your seat after talking to the Po Po in the concourse; if you’re a drunken asshole with no ticket to the seat you’re sitting in they escort from the building (and you can all probably guess how I know this). Since you haven’t seen the video of the concourse you have no idea what happened. And lastly, Kev, really? Seth Greenberg has physically accosted students of opposing teams for “getting too close” to his players and has engaged in a slap fight with Koach K. If any fan base has no room to make fun of an opposing coach’s antics, it’s VPI fan.
And in conclusion, you can’t get to Heaven in a red canoe ’cause God’s favorite color is Carolina Blue. You all know that NCSU fans suck, what other reason could there possibly be for their inability to get Reynolds to half capacity? State fans, one day, when you’re all growed up and can show up to games to cheer on your team, we MIGHT MAYBE care what you think about our hall of fame, 2x NC winning, recruiting God of a coach. Until then, keep yapping. Your inferiority amuses me.
^^You are an example of NCSU’s “Our program sucks so I’m going to go around insulting other programs because I’m jealous” attitude.
Get over yourself and get some class.
^lol at that Pat.
Your right. I guess from the only evidence we have to tell us if he was actually intoxicated or not, it is clear he was drunk as a skunk. Looking directly at people, not stumbling around at all, acknowledging Roy asking if he meant him…yeah those are all signs of him being sauced…nah I lied, can’t see it… I guess you can tell a guys BAC from a video better than me.
As far as your second paragraph…if you think NC State fans don’t watch State play basketball, maybe you should also go to NCAA.org and see attendance #’s from year whenever to today. It already blew UNX Raj’s mind, maybe it will do that to yours as well.
^You haven’t blown anyone’s mind… you just haven’t gotten caught up on your reading yet.
Kev,
http://www.gotickets.com/sports/college_basketball/acc/north_carolina_tar_heels.php
http://www.ncabc.com/stores/Default.aspx
pat (and whoever else has defended Roy/UNC),
Did you not see this: http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc/story/6611583/ ??
The guy has come out and explained his side of the story. His version of events actually goes very well with the video, since you can see Roy say “Yeah, I’m talking to you”.
Now, if his friends had extra tickets like he says, he wouldn’t have been somewhere he didn’t belong. He would have been invited. But, once escorted out he wouldn’t have had that ticket on him.
You say that the video isn’t enough evidence for us to say he wasn’t drunk, but the video is shot from about the same distance that Roy was standing and you say that Roy could tell he was drunk.
The guy has three cops come up to him and start pulling and pushing on him. I’m sure you would have told them what was what, but most normal people go where the cops tell them.
If the guy is from NC, he has friends that went to UNC. That’s guaranteed.
If he didn’t contact WRAL to clear his name, no one except his friends would have known who he was. If he was actually drunk and disorderly at the game, I doubt he would have resurfaced to claim he wasn’t. The UNC SID spin of this story has changed at least once, maybe twice since the story originally surfaced.
Roy overreacted. Plain and simple.
Boy, talk about taking the high road and making Ole Roy look even more like an angry old fool.
No, the person who should feel the most pissed off is Deon Thompson. From now until the end of the year, he will be the main target of most chants and yells, because BIG BAD ROY had to stick up for him from a scary Blue Hose fan…a Blue Hose fan…A…PRESBYTERIAN…Blue…Hose…Fan.
On the spot, I am not clever enough to come up with what UMd, Duke and Statefans will later on, but I’m sure they will be worth a chuckle…Maybe Roy will pull Dean with a “Reid can’t Read this sign” moment…I can only hope.
UNX Fan here.
I offer no defense of Roy. He had no business engaging in any verbal sparring match with a fan. Being ORW means you are above any garbage like that. THF has a great line in his piece at his blog that this is one of those things like Manny Being Manny. Maybe he did this quirky stuff at Kansas and we just never knew it. But Roy Being Roy now includes Stickergate, the Coke controversy, and now the fan ejection.
On the other hand, 2 nattys and 600 wins means never having to say you’re sorry. This will be a story until exactly next Saturday, when UNC plays #2 Texas in Cowboys Stadium. Then it will only be a needle opposing fans will use until UNX crushes said opponent 2 or 3 times.
So if this serves as an opponent’s evidence that Roy is a douche or that UNX fan is uppity or whatever they want to make it into, then it is what it is. Knock yourselves out.
Doc, you are very right. I don’t think Roy really gives two craps about what anyone says about him because wins are all that matters, and it doesn’t look like he’ll stop doing it anytime soon. He sure as heck whips State’s butt every year and I absolutly hate it, and I’m sure he doesn’t care about that either.
Anyways, I want to thank everyone on this board who has made me feel welcome. I just recently found this blog, and enjoy it very much. My only hope is that you find my replies enjoyable as well. Here’s to a long, joyous relationship with you guys…especially with Pat.
Daily Doc, I wouldn’t include “Stickergate” in that list. That wasn’t a big deal, I wasn’t mad about it.
But really, lately Roy has done some very un-Roy like things and I’m not defending him, but I think it’s the surgery and the pain killers he’s been on. It could be that and the stress he’s been under with playing such a tough schedule. Again, I’m not defending what he did, it was out of line, but that may be one of the reasons he acted the way he did.
Way to kill a thread, Doc.
dan, I never said Roy could tell he was drunk. I said the cops who went up to talk to him could.
Tacos, you’re new and don’t know this, but I attend tons of NXSU bball games (and I cheer for the home team, even though I do it wearing UNX gear) where I sit next to the family of Daniel Evans. I know first hand what actual attendance in the ATM looks like. And, if I were a State fan, it would shame the hell out of me. How many games, on average, do you attend a year? I’m willing to bet I go to more of your team’s games than you do. Stop making excuses and be better fans.
“Daily Doc, I wouldn’t include “Stickergate” in that list. That wasn’t a big deal”,
LOL!
Haha, yeah Pat … something Seth Greenberg may or may not have done at some point in time somewhere excuses ol’ Roy overreacting on some opposing teams fan.
There’s a pattern here, and it’s that Roy is probably a tremendous egotistical a-hole in real life… and the older he gets, the harder it is for him to keep it under control. Just like most old people, they get ornery when they get up there in years. He’s still an amazingly successful basketball coach, but he’s still probably a gigantic a-hole.
Stickergate was hilarious.
Taco, State Fan won’t think of anything, because State Fan can’t drag their sorry behinds to the game. Damn it.
Seriously though, if this were Sid I would be pissed. I don’t care if it’s the Ram’s Club seats, the Pope’s seats, or whose seats they are. Roy has zero right to tell anyone in a seat that is bought and paid for what to say or not say. Granted, it does not appear like the gentleman in question here purchased the seat he was in, and if Roy had handled the ejection better like THF said then all of this is moot, but that is a secondary point. It is not really the stain of ejecting this guy that won’t wash out, it’s the stain of Roy, er, K Jr. being, well, K Jr.
“The obvious answer is, probably not” The answer should be HELL no, what would Dean have done? One thing we learned is the Dean Dome seats 70,000 based on all the first and fifth hand versions of the story. Plain and simple just like with the Delvon Roe thing Roy has to be above this kind of stuff. He has all that support staff on the UNC bench use them, this may brink back his old Kansas nickname of “King Roy”.
Pat, why do start such arguements like “I am willing to bet”, and “If I were a”? I feel like I am in a typing war with a 4th grader.
Regarding your attendance to State games, what would you like me to say? That you are a better State fan than me, or any other State fans that don’t go to as many State games than you? That’s like me claiming I am a better UNC fan than probably 95% of UNX’s fanbase, because I have lived in Chapel Hill, went to middle and high school in Chapel Hill, regularly visit home in Chapel Hill…but I don’t because I know it is invalid and can’t possibly prove it. You really are proving you are a true UNX fan when you make statements like these. The lovely shade of Smug is shining through.
The numbers I posted about State averaging the 15th highest ranking over the past 10 years isn’t my opinion, it’s not fuzzy math, it is FACT. But that doesn’t matter to you because you go to State games with the Evans family…Congrats again.
Reading comprehension, Kev. I didn’t use Greenberg as an excuse for Roy’s behavior, I used it to point out that you should keep your mouth shut about other teams’ coaches and their antics. VPI’s coach is a constant embarrassment to the ACC.
By the way, do you guys know what Roy thinks about what you think about this? He doesn’t give a damn what you think. Really, sour grapes. All of you non-UNX fans will look for any little thing to tear down the man who OWNS your squads year in and year out on the court and on the recruiting trail. Any one of you who says you wouldn’t want Roy to coach your team is a liar, plain and simple. SCOREBOARD TO EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU (who are not UNX fans)!
Cool story, bro. I suppose you’d be the best qualified to identify someone who can’t stay on topic during a discussion, since you just yammer endless about whatever most of the time.
I am simply pointing out that I have seen first hand many, many times over the last few years what attendance is like in the ATM. Regardless of whatever inflated numbers Jed the AD reports to NCAA.org, and it is always (sans vs UNX and Dook) terribly embarrassing. The fact that I go to more NXSU games than you, a fan that lives in the area, should also be embarrassing.
You necks show up in droves to watch shitty football, why not for shitty basketball, too? Again, quit flapping your gums and just be better fans. Quit looking up attendance numbers on the internet and go to the freaking games. Quit saying “I’m a POS band wagoner and I won’t go to games until they start winning” and support your team. Hell, they might play harder if you chumps showed up and cheered for them every once in a while (instead of just reading the box score in the “N&Blow” the next morning), then you might get to see a winner. As it is, you should change your name to ‘I-like-tacos, but only when they’re winning’.
I don’t go with the Evans family, btw. My buddy’s season tickets are next to theirs. And I like going to the games because, as a UNX fan, sometimes it’s hard to remember what it’s like to cheer for a loser. It keeps me humble.
Yep, Kev, not on topic at all. By the way, “bro”, just how many popped collars do you have on right now? Are you wearing your white belt with the Ed Hardy buckle? Are you fist pumping in the club?
“Any one of you who says you wouldn’t want Roy to coach your team is a liar, plain and simple.”
…and we have that wonderful UNX arrogance again. A fanbase truly deserving of Ole Roy and his antics…Keep it up Pat, I need more material.
In all seriousness though, I try and give credit where it’s due. Roy is outstanding. One of the best. Maybe the best? But that does NOT mean I want him to coach my team. Personal opinion. You may not understand (and I wouldn’t expect many UNX fans to anyway), but that is how I feel and I will always feel that way.
So am I a liar? Would a UNX fan want Coach K to coach their team, even during the Doh years, when Ole Roy turned them down? I wouldn’t think so…but that’s just my opinion.
Sigh, Pat, sigh. Using interwebs insults on you when you don’t even know what they mean makes baby jesus cry.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cool-story-bro
Tacos, you can call that arrogance if you like, but Roy is a winner and your coach is a loser. I will amend my statement, though: most Dook fans would keep K over Roy, and for good reason. But yes, yes you are a liar. Anyone who says they would rather their team lose games than win games is a liar. Anybody who says they would rather have a mediocre recruiter over (arguably) the best recruiter in the history of being the best or recruiting is a liar. Anyone who says they wouldn’t want 2 NCs since 2003 is a liar. A mealy mouthed liar at that.
Had K never coached at Dook, I would probably be happy to have him, the guy is a hell of a coach.
Kev, sorry I’m not the giant internet nerd that you are. I’ll send to Joe Ovies’ email and you guys can dork out together. Maybe you can play some Atari and laugh at people who don’t have badass mastery of emoticons that you two have.
Long live Greenberg crying about being left out AGAIN this year.
Are you calling VT not making the NCAA tournament this year? I suppose everyone should be reaaaal quiet and pay attention since your predictions are always spot on.
Hell yes I’m saying VaTech won’t make the tourney. As to predictions, so I got 2 wrong, sue me. One was more to poke you with my pointy stick than anything else. The other I truly, deeply believed, though. What, you’ve never been wrong on a guess?
UNX is better than VaTech. SCOREBOARD!!!!!!!! (extra exclamation points to honor Csquared)
Pat, you never specified that if we had Ole Roy, we would have the same amount of success UNX has had. I don’t believe we would have. I would have loved Two NC, but is Ole Roy the only one that can do that? LISB, Roy is great, better than what Statefan have at the moment, but it don’t mean I want him.
I don’t understand you Pat, you make the most irrational arguements. Maybe I wouldn’t take Ole Roy for the same reasons you wouldn’t take K? Heck, I don’t want him either. Ever thought of that? They are both tainted to me. Can I have that please?
I believe you type before you think. I’m thinking everyone else on this board is just used to you, but with every response you remind me of how glad I am for not chosing UNX to cheer for. With every douche move Ole Roy makes, makes me glad I am no Tarhole, with every ignorant thing I have ever heard from a UNX fan, I remind myself I know what I am talking about and that they do not…you see it keeps me sane.
Maybe I am making this more personable than I should, I just don’t like being called a liar.
pat,
Roy has been head coach at two schools…UNC and Kansas. He has done an outstanding job at those two schools, but let’s not act like he didn’t get given a gift by having Dean set him up at Kansas, OK?
If he’d had to take the normal route to a big-time job, he may very well be just another guy on the Smith coaching tree.
Matt Doherty sucked almost as hard as you can suck, and he still had no trouble at all getting recruits to line up to go there. The coach that replaced Roy has had no trouble continuing (or perhaps improving, since they won it all) the recruiting success at KU.
Roy didn’t hit a home run….he started on 2nd base.
No matter how successful he’s been, kicking this guy out was a punk move.
OOOOVER SENSITIVE! CLAP-CLAP-CLAPCLAPCLAP, OOOOVER SENSITIVE! CLAP-CLAP-CLAPCLAPCLAP….
I like I-Like-Tacos’ name…cuz I like tacos too!
Haven’t seen the video…been crazy-busy, but my off-the-cuff, reactionary, and uninformed thoughts seem to fall along the lines of just let the fan be. I would be perturbed had Sid done this and I’m pretty sure that UNC fan would be going batpoop crazy had K done it. The thing that worries me most though, is that I hope that they were able to completely sanitize the Ram’s Club seat. Wouldn’t want the stink of a plebeian to get on somebody’s light blue sweater vest.
Oh, and to stoke the fire some more…
“You necks show up in droves to watch shitty football, why not for shitty basketball, too?”
A lot of us “necks” did show up for some shitty foozbaw in Chapel Hill last year. Why didn’t Kenan security escort out everyone that was shouting “Wolf-Pack” so loud that it registered on TV?
“With every douche move Ole Roy makes, makes me glad I am no Tarhole, with every ignorant thing I have ever heard from a UNX fan, I remind myself I know what I am talking about and that they do not…you see it keeps me sane.”
And I’m the smug one? Right. You are the living embodiment of why nobody but State fan can stand State fan. By the way, my name is SMALLANDPETTYPAT, and I believe in truth in advertising.
dan, Roy could have walked into NXSU the year after you sent Sendek out on a rail and gotten you at least 1 NC by now. I don’t care what YOU personally think, everyone else knows that Roy is one of the best coaches ever. He is probably the greatest recruiter ever. I really don’t care that your personal bias clouds your judgement on that, mainly because you think TEB is a good coach despite all 80,000,000 tons of eveidence pointing to the contrary.
Todd, Everyone one would go krazy is K had done this because of the Hans-brah Indoor Chrazies.
Dude DID NOT get kicked out for cheering the other team. He got kicked out for sneaking down into a Rams club seat and acting like a dumbass.
I like burritos more than tacos, but I tacos are pretty good too.
Anyone else think Pat hits the sauce a little too hard before/during his evening blog comments? lol.
What bro? I can’t hear you over the noise of UNX beating VaTech on the gridiron and all of those pastel popped collars you’re wearing.
Here’s a novel idea: Give the tickets in that section to UNC students who will support the team, even against a cupcake. Take them away from the snotty rich fat cats who won’t come to games like this. Put their asses behind the goal and make them beg for Roy to toss them a T shirt.
“Dude DID NOT get kicked out for cheering the other team. He got kicked out for sneaking down into a Rams club seat and acting like a dumbass.”
And that really is the whole story; the rest is wishing all things Carolina were not so fine…. keep wishing, we are on a collective sports roll and loving it. You can’t win ‘em all, but at least we are trying.
^lol at a UNX fan making fun of another fanbase for wearing “popped collars”.
Taco has a point, Pat. If you try to say he wears argyle sweater vests we are going to have to have a sit down.
Bottom line from this UNC fan is that Roy should have just turned his back on the guy and let it go. He got way overly sensitive about it. He could have made a postgame comment about it and ripped the Rams Club “fans” that would have been a better way to handle it. But drawing attention to the guy was not the right choice.
And Dan what is the “normal route to a big-time job”? Longtime assistant coach gets a shot at a head coaching job seems pretty normal to me. Kansas was on probation when Roy got there in ’89 (thanks Larry), and two years later he was in the National Championship game…thats not starting on 2nd base.
What was normal about Sid’s hiring? You think being a State alum sorta, kinda help him get that job.
Pat, I’d go see a hearing specialist about that. If your ears aren’t functioning because of a football game that happened over a month ago and a person’s clothing choices, there might be something wrong. Although that might explain a lot.
By the by, I don’t know how you turned this into a VT vs. UNC thing, like you always do … I just simply said Roy is a douche, an a-hole, and a great basketball coach. And I’m probably right on all counts.
“Roy has zero right to tell anyone in a seat that is bought and paid for what to say or not say.”
That’s were most of the Roy lynch mob is missing the point. Most of those seats behind the bench aren’t even bought or paid for, they are provided by the University or Coaching Staff to family, friends, or by request. Not to mention the point that this yahoo Blue Wose fan did not even have a ticket to this section that he “bought and paid for”.
Roy should have handled it better, but this whole Roy got the guy kicked out for yelling during a free throw is BS. Pat summed it up best:
“Dude DID NOT get kicked out for cheering the other team. He got kicked out for sneaking down into a Rams club seat and acting like a dumbass.”
If you are in a seat that you did not pay for and would like to stay there for the duration of the game, then do not call attention to yourself. This guy was clearly a closet State or VPI fan.
“The numbers I posted about State averaging the 15th highest ranking over the past 10 years isn’t my opinion, it’s not fuzzy math, it is FACT.”
Now go look up the attendance as a % of capacity figures for the past 10 years. State having a building larger than 90% of the college arenas allows you to fill it up twice a year (UNC & Duke) and distort the attendance numbers.
Roy should have done what Ben McCauley did and danced around the floor saying “not in my house” over and over. That would have been perfectly acceptable right?
Kev, 20-17. In YOUR house. On national TV.
SCOREBOARD.
All I said was that Seth Greenberg is a whiny, douchey, crappy basketball coach. And I KNOW I’m right on all counts.
Planning to have fun in Charlotte losing to a Big Least team again? A lot of good that 20-17 did you!
See, this is the thing with UNC Fan. Anytime their guy does something wrong they want to point the finger at the other teams and say something negative. It’s not about State, Sid, VaTech, MD, or Duke. It’s about Roy being Roy, er, K Jr being K Jr.
“they are provided by the University or Coaching Staff to family, friends, or by request”
Does that give Roy the right to tell the people in the seats who they can cheer for, when they can cheer, and what they can say? Not in my book it does not.
UNC fan would be self freaking combusting if Coach K did this. UNC is right about one thing, Roy does own coach K……in jackassory.
Check out my latest at THF. This whole thing boils down to Roy being pissed off at the fat cats for not showing up to the game. When he turned around and saw this guy sitting in one of these seats it was another example of that but worse because not only did the UNC fan not shown up but instead a PC fan was there in his/her place. It is about loyalty with Roy but also about the fact UNC has plenty of passionate fans, like myself, who would have been glad to come to a game and sit in those seats the season ticket holders apparently do not want to sit in every night.
Remember in 2007 during the infamous game vs NCSU when the Pack did not score for most of the game or something, Roy started off his postgame press conference by pointing out that there were red clad folks sitting in the lower level directly across from the bench. He was pissed that UNC fans had given their tickets to NCSU fans and worse put them directly in his line of sight. He said he was going to find out who owned the seats and buy them so he could put UNC fans there.
This is a bugaboo for Roy along with NCAA stickers on the floor during the tournament and Pepsi vs Coke. When the guy said what he said Roy turned around and he didn’t see an opposing fan nor did what the fan said necessarily bother him. He saw another seat not being filled by a UNC fan who he thought was too sorry to show up for a cupcake game so he went off.
It was poorly handled and like I said there are better ways to address such an issue or least quieter ways that do not draw media attention. But then again this is Roy who does not give a frickin’ flip about what people think.
For UNC fan, he is what he is. He wins, banners go up, great players play for him and while he does have these issues, he is not Knight or Mangino. As far as I know he is not abusing players and he treats them with respect, looks out for their best interests even if it makes his life tougher the following season. And that would be another area where he leads Coach K as well.
“Does that give Roy the right to tell the people in the seats who they can cheer for, when they can cheer, and what they can say?”
If the coach of the basketball team gave the tickets I would assume he would know who they would cheer for or it would be applied to the fan receiving the tickets. It’s not like some random guy in Zebulon calls Coach Williams and is able to get tickets.
Scl11, that does not answer the question. I’m just saying he has no right to tell people whom they can cheer for, period. You want to be mad that a PC fan is in one of your precious seats, fine, be mad. Giving out those seats does not give you power over the people sitting in them though, it only makes them jackasses for betraying you. Roy decides to be the bigger jackass though, and for some reason thinks he is better than the rest of us. That’s what I get from this, anyway.
“This whole thing boils down to Roy being pissed off at the fat cats for not showing up to the game.”
I find it hilarious that UNXfan is now blaming Roy’s douchebaggery on the fact that he loves UNX so much that it makes sense he would kick out an opposing fan because certain UNXfan DIDNT GO TO A GAME AGAINST PRESBYTERIAN!(whereas on another topic board, UNXfan is giving Statefan crap for doing the same thing.)
If Roy can get away with that, then what could Sid get away with? With this logic, and considering all the missing people at State games this season, Statefan could get away with making an arguement for Sid if he crapped on 3 parapalegics, killed 18 newborns and wore a St. Paul’s College sticker on his sweater-vest during games…wait that last one probably wouldn’t be valid to my point.
Just saying…
“Dude DID NOT get kicked out for cheering the other team. He got kicked out for sneaking down into a Rams club seat and acting like a dumbass.”
That’s great, except that it’s not the truth.
The guy has gone to the media. If he was drunk and acting like a dumbass, I doubt he would have done that.
He was with friends who invited him into their section because they had extra tickets. The officers who escorted him out never asked him to show his tickets. pat, you say you go to a lot of NCSU games with friends. If he doesn’t make you pay for a ticket, does that mean you shouldn’t be able to sit there?
“I was not intoxicated,” said King, a 1996 Presbyterian graduate who lives in Concord. “I was not asked to produce a ticket. … That was fabricated, and that’s what I’m upset about.”
“I was not intoxicated,” said King, a 1996 Presbyterian graduate who lives in Concord. “I was not asked to produce a ticket. … That was fabricated, and that’s what I’m upset about.”
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/241399.html
He wasn’t in the friends & family section. He was behind it:
“Kirschner said the spot where King was sitting was very close to seats that are held by Williams and members of the basketball staff.”
And, according to Roy after the game, the guy most certainly was kicked out for not rooting for UNC:
“Let’s don’t make it a bigger thing than it is,” Williams said after the game. “I just don’t think anybody should yell negative things toward our players that come in on our tickets to watch our game.”
The guy has come out and said he wasn’t drunk, and all references to him being potentially drunk have been dropped from all UNC officials’ comments.
Roy got pissed off, and the a$$ that everyone says he is behind closed doors got the best of “aw shucks freakin’ good ol’ Roy” for a minute.
There’s no need to spin it. It is what it is.
Let’s not leave out Roy’s comments from last night on the issue:
“Saturday night, all of a sudden, some guy stands up and starts yelling at Deon and it came from behind our bench. And you know how when some things happen, you instantly think of something? My first thought was, ‘Now our parents are having to listen to somebody else, and it’s in our own building.’ And so I turned around and I said, ‘Who said that?’ And about 40-50-60-70-80 people started pointing up at this guy. The guy gets up and starts gyrating with his arms and everything like, ‘Yeah, it was me,’ and that kind of thing. And it really did tick me off. I turned and said something to the ushers behind the bench and they started up through there, and I turned around and coached the game. I have no idea what happened. I never turned around to the guy again.
“But my feeling was immediately that our parents who sit right behind our bench have to put up with that stuff again in our own building. So that was it. And after the game, they told me that they had escorted the young man out. Supposedly what had happened was they had asked him for his ticket and he didn’t have a ticket or wasn’t supposed to be sitting in that seat. Supposedly, and I want to emphasis the word supposedly, he didn’t cooperate as much as they wanted, and they chose to take him out.
“Am I disappointed in the whole thing? Yeah, I’m disappointed that it happened. I’m disappointed that I even reacted to it. But again, in our own building, I don’t think that parents ought to have to listen to somebody chastising their son. And whether that’s right or wrong, that’s the way I am. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. I hate that it happened. I wish that it never happened. Evidently, people have been getting after us all day [on Monday] or getting after me all day. But I tell you what, if that’s the only thing they’ve got to get after me about, I’m a happy young man… If I’m wrong, then that’s good, but I’m not apologizing.”
And let’s also not act like Mr. King is not selling his own brand of spin. I have heard multiple accounts from people who say they were there who paint this guy in a different light. Maybe they are spinning too. Maybe it is just a room full of tops at this point, who knows. Of course this is why Roy can’t engage a fan like this because his story will be given the benefit of the doubt since he is seen as the sympathetic victim.
Also dan,
“the a$$ that everyone says he is behind closed doors ”
You got something concrete on that or you just tossing that out there for shock value?
Wow.. I did not know TheeBlog had migrated elsewhere… glad it did. Thanks THF for the mention of this space and hey all.
Dumb move by Roy, pure and simple. All this stuff about “his house” and blaming it on the guy himself (or even weaker — on Roy’s shoulder surgery) is unalloyed fanboy smoke. In the former iteration of this blog I have criticized (my guy) K for talking to opposing players etc… he shouldn’t do it, no excuses… the same applies here, period.
Good to be back.
Welcome back, DuDave. On a related note, where the heck is Clemp-sun? I mean, Clemson grads are a little slow, but I figured he woulda found this place by now.
You can see on the video that Roy said more than “who said that?” before turning to the ushers. So that’s a cop-out.
And no, I don’t have any concrete evidence that Roy is an egotistical a$$ behind closed doors. But, people I’ve heard talk about being around him in a non-public setting say so (his own friends call him “The Committee” because he makes all the decisions).
Also, there have been several times when his emotions have gotten the better of his self-control and the a$$ has shown himself. “I could give a s*** about Carolina”….the f-bomb during the press conference….the disgust when answering fan questions during the coach’s show….and now this.
Mr. King didn’t ask for this stuff. He was just a guy at a game having a good time. But, once he was shown on video by WRAL and the story started to spread, he was going to have to answer to anyone who knew him that may have seen that video. He had nothing to gain by coming forward if he isn’t telling the truth now.
No matter how much or how loudly he yelled, if he didn’t say anything profane he should not have been kicked out of the building. The only reason it happened is because Roy heard him yelling for the wrong team, and that reason is not good enough.
“But my feeling was immediately that our parents who sit right behind our bench have to put up with that stuff again in our own building.”
Again? What is he referencing here? And by the way, Roy, when a kid signs up to play college basketball, let alone at UNC, both the kid and the kid’s parents know that they will take some heat from the opposing teams’ fans.
I know Roy would prefer that the place was filled to the brim with nothing but argyle sweater vests and boat shoes. I get it. It just isn’t a realistic impression to have. And what about the opposing teams’ parents and kids? I’m guessing they don’t get heckled at all in the Dome.
You can’t spell hypocrite without ROY. I mean, without K Jr.
“Mr. King didn’t ask for this stuff. He was just a guy at a game having a good time. But, once he was shown on video by WRAL and the story started to spread, he was going to have to answer to anyone who knew him that may have seen that video. He had nothing to gain by coming forward if he isn’t telling the truth now.”
Dan, always knew you were full of shit, but this is even over the top for you. If Mr. King was the angel you make him out to be, why didn’t any of his buddies that according to Mr. King had “extra tickets for that section” make a fuss about him being escorted to the concourse. Again, if dude wanted to sit in a section that he did not have an authorized ticket for then maybe he shouldn’t have called attention to himself, no matter if he used profanity or not. No one on this blog knows what was asked or what was said to or from the “victim” once he was taken to the concourse. I find it funny how you take Mr. King’s word as gospel, but think everything Roy says is a cop-out or spin. Hmmm, I wonder if the reason for that is that you see yourself in this jackass who sits in unauthorized sections while yelling at opponents at the free throw line and consider that cheering for your team.
What Roy is basically saying is: “We have to deal with this crap on the road it would nice not to hear it at home.” By extension you are free to infer that larger context of UNC fans not showing up which created the circumstances.
Let see if I have the Roy/scl11 rules right… I must sit in my assigned seat, I must only root for my team and remain mum about the home team, especially during free throws..I must not yell crazy bad things like “miss it” and I must sit down at all times and do nothing to call attention to myself…also I must have friends who are willing to risk getting arbitrarily thrown out themselves to rise to my defense… sounds like a great time.
“Let see if I have the Roy/scl11 rules right… I must sit in my assigned seat, IF I CHOOSE NOT TO SIT IN MY ASSIGNED SEAT, I must only root for my team and remain mum about the home team, especially during free throws. I must not yell crazy bad things like “miss it” and I must sit down at all times and do nothing to call attention to myself…also I must have friends who are willing to risk getting arbitrarily thrown out themselves to rise to my defense… IF I’M IN MY ASSIGNED SEAT I CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT AS LONG AS I KEEP IT CLEAN….sounds like a great time.”
FTFY
sci11 — unless Roy has memorized the seating chart in the Dean Dome, he had no idea if the guy was in his assigned seat… Roy sicced security on him specifically for yelling “miss it” etc (and no profanity is alleged)… to defend it in terms that Roy himself does not is utterly beside the point.
We have to take Roy at his word and Roy says he pointed the guy out because he didn’t want the precious ears of Carolina player parents assaulted by “chastisements” like “miss it”… (the guy is lucky that he didn’t yell anything profane — or you would probably be arguing he should have been tasered..)
Take off your fan hat for a minute and put Roy’s words in the mouth of the Duke or State or any other coach not named Roy or Dean and tell me you would be saying the same thing.
“Welcome back, DuDave. On a related note, where the heck is Clemp-sun? I mean, Clemson grads are a little slow, but I figured he woulda found this place by now.”
I don’t know – I was looking for him after their meltdown in the ACC/Big 10 challenge. On a related note, if “Durham” tries to register on this site, can his application be rejected unless he is willing to declare who he roots for?
I would be saying the exact same thing if it was from any other coach. The seats behind the bench I bet Roy has a pretty good idea who sits there and he looked back to see who in the world would say such a thing coming from that section. Then he saw the Angel (aka victim) in question, looking at Roy like “yeah I said it what are you going to do about it”. Roy then inexcusably had words with the fan, but then his actions to have security check the guy out were perfectly acceptable. If the victim says that from behind the Blue Hose bench it is not addressed in the same manner.
^
A thousand times this.
“Dan, always knew you were full of shit, but this is even over the top for you. If Mr. King was the angel you make him out to be, why didn’t any of his buddies that according to Mr. King had “extra tickets for that section” make a fuss about him being escorted to the concourse. Again, if dude wanted to sit in a section that he did not have an authorized ticket for then maybe he shouldn’t have called attention to himself, no matter if he used profanity or not. No one on this blog knows what was asked or what was said to or from the “victim” once he was taken to the concourse. I find it funny how you take Mr. King’s word as gospel, but think everything Roy says is a cop-out or spin. Hmmm, I wonder if the reason for that is that you see yourself in this jackass who sits in unauthorized sections while yelling at opponents at the free throw line and consider that cheering for your team.”
I’m not making him out to be an angel. I take his word because the things he said happened are what actually appear on the video. In the WRAL blog post yesterday, he gave his version of the “conversation” between him and Roy. The things he says Roy said you can SEE Roy say on the video.
The Roy/UNC version of events has changed since the original event.
If I go to a game, and have tickets, and I have friends who are going, with tickets for a different section, is that OK? If we are all going with other friends, is that cool? If a couple of my friends’ friends don’t show, and they now have extra tickets in a section better than mine, is that OK? If they offer me a seat in their section, that they have an unused ticket for, is that against any rules?? NO. He was in a section with people who had extra tickets. Until that point is proven false, he wasn’t in an “unassigned” location.
Now, since you missed it, I need to also let you know that he was whisked away by three police officers. With guns. I’d be willing to bet that he and his friends don’t often have to deal with being told to exit by cops. Unlike pat (and you, apparently) most people do what the hell they are told when cops tell them to move..especially if the cops are dragging and pushing them at the same time. The friends were probably a little too shocked to jump up and talking trash to the cops. It’s not a normal situation, and to sit here now and say what they “should have” done is really garbage.
Roy’s statement after the game is probably the most truthful comment anyone from UNC has made about the situation, and it fits with Mr. King’s story 100%.
sci11 — so you agree that Roy was “without excuse” in addressing the guy? That was the original point I made. He shouldn’t have done it. Everything that happened after that is BECAUSE Roy (inexcusably — we agree) exchanged words with the guy. If Roy doesn’t have rabbit ears and overreact we never learn if the guy is in the right seat or not. It’s not even a story. So…
Sc1, I think what UNC Fan is not getting that non-UNC Fan is preaching is that Roy had a fan “checked out” because he was cheering for the other team, or because he was yelling at a UNC player taking a foul shot. The fact that the dude was not in his seat does not matter. Roy has no business interacting with fans of the other team. Period. He has no right to tell anyone, ANYONE who to cheer for or when to do it.
The dude should have kept his mouth shut if he didn’t have a ticket. He risked being thrown out as soon as he slid into a spot that wasn’t his. I won’t argue against that.
“The dude should have kept his mouth shut if he didn’t have a ticket. He risked being thrown out as soon as he slid into a spot that wasn’t his. I won’t argue against that.”
Me neither.
That gives more credence to Mr. King’s story, IMO. I doubt he would have weaseled his way into those seats, around people he didn’t know, and started yelling much of anything. But, I can totally see myself sitting there, down 40, talking trash to my UNC friends about how “we’re coming back, baby” then yelling “miss it, Deon”.
Mike, and what non-UNC Fan is not getting is that he was checked out for where he was sitting not because he just said something derogatory towards a UNC player, those seats are not given to every Tom, Dick, and Harry who decides to show up for a UNC home game. Most of those tickets in that section are distributed via the basketball office. So from Roy’s view he is wondering “who in the hell did I give tickets to that has someone with them acting like that.”
DD, Roy addressing the fan was absolutely wrong and unprofessional, but I have no issue with Roy leaning over to an assistant or manager or usher and having them handle the situation with security. And actually I’m disappointed that one of his guys didn’t react immediately and say “Coach I’ll handle it”.
Dan,
Problem with your statement here:
“Now, since you missed it, I need to also let you know that he was whisked away by three police officers. With guns. I’d be willing to bet that he and his friends don’t often have to deal with being told to exit by cops. Unlike pat (and you, apparently) most people do what the hell they are told when cops tell them to move.”
is that he didn’t do exactly as he was told right away. He looked at the officer saying “What did I do”, while not moving to the exit row, and tried to pull away from the officer until the second officer came from behind. He got what he wanted, a rise out of Roy and sympathy from all ABC fans, but no need to portray him as just some innocent dude watching a basketball game until King Roy picked him out of a crowd decided to ruin his fun filled evening.
Did you see all that in the video? Or did Roy tell you that?
Video, but Roy let me watch it on his VCR
“That’s great, except that it’s not the truth.
The guy has gone to the media. If he was drunk and acting like a dumbass, I doubt he would have done that.
He was with friends who invited him into their section because they had extra tickets. The officers who escorted him out never asked him to show his tickets. pat, you say you go to a lot of NCSU games with friends. If he doesn’t make you pay for a ticket, does that mean you shouldn’t be able to sit there?”
So you’re willing to take this guy’s word over the two cops that tossed him? Good for you. I bet he’s got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you to. None of his friends have stepped forward to give his claim any veracity, either. I may not like cops, but I don’t see them deciding to just make some nonsense up for the hell of it. Him lying about this can’t really hurt him, them lying about it can get them fired and sued.
“UNC department of public safety spokesman Randy Young said Monday that King initially ignored officers and was uncooperative.
‘It was in the officers’ opinion that he had been drinking,’ Young said. ‘At which point they made the decision that it would be better for himself and others that he was escorted from the building.’”
“Asked if he had anything to drink that day, King said only that he was not intoxicated.”
“‘I didn’t say anything vulgar, I was not intoxicated…I was cheering for Presbyterian, I was excited to see my little team play a big team.’”
Those are quoted directly from today’s N&O article. Obviously the guy had been drinking. Had he cooperated he may not have been tossed. Also, the last quote is particularly telling. When dude drew attention to himself he was NOT cheering for his team, he was jeering a UNX player. Call it splitting hairs if you want, but there is definitely a difference. The fact that he is willing to boldly misrepresent his actions to the media bring the truth of ALL of his claims into question. But, hey, ABC right? Like I said, you chumps will grab on to any little thing in an attempt to dirty Roy up a little.
pat, what happened to “Deal Breakers”?
You can bet that there isn’t a coach in the world that I wouldn’t criticize for doing something so bush league. Period.
The guy doesn’t “pull away” from anyone, either. He almost fell on some people while being pushed/pulled, but I’m not sure it’s fair to blame him for that.
They snatch him out of there like he’s a criminal.
^^^”to sell you, too”
wasn’t ready yet, I think I accidentally set it to ‘pending review’ last night instead of saving it to drafts.
“The guy doesn’t “pull away” from anyone, either. He almost fell on some people while being pushed/pulled, but I’m not sure it’s fair to blame him for that.
They snatch him out of there like he’s a criminal.”
dan, your asshat is growing larger by the post.
^Please bring Leslie back.
She’s in the Deal Breakers post. You can have it when it’s ready. Won’t be long.
“The guy doesn’t “pull away” from anyone, either. He almost fell on some people while being pushed/pulled, but I’m not sure it’s fair to blame him for that.”
Or did the “the few beers” he had early in the day (but not enough to make him intoxicated) cause him to lose his balance………..
Geez…after reviewing the video so thoroughly…was there a puff of smoke from the grassy knoll?
“Geez…after reviewing the video so thoroughly…was there a puff of smoke from the grassy knoll?”
Is that where Will Graves was sitting? I keed, I keed!
100!
^Not unless there was a Waffle House next the grassy knoll
I don’t see why we’re splitting hairs about whatever this Presbyterian fan was up to. Drunk / not Drunk, Paid for his seat / didn’t pay for his seat, cooperative / uncooperative… none of it excuses Roy from doing something beyond bush league and getting himself involved in the situation.
Take a step back and be objective, seriously … anyone that thinks is was Roy’s place to insert himself into that situation the way he did needs to take off their Baby Blue tinted glasses, cause they’re being homeriffic beyond all reason.
Replace ‘Roy Williams’ with ‘Coach K / Sidney Lowe / Seth Greenberg / John Calipari / Rick Pittino / etc’… would you still be so staunch in your defense of their actions?
^Well, if you replace Roy Williams with Sidney Lowe nobody would be talking about it because nobody remembers that NC State basketball exists.
“Or did the “the few beers” he had early in the day (but not enough to make him intoxicated) cause him to lose his balance………..”
Well, if the guy is lying, and he was intoxicated, I think there is a bigger problem. At least three UNC security officers sent an intoxicated man out into the night to drive home. Wouldn’t it have been their duty to a) charge him with something or b) detain him until he sobered up enough to drive home?
He is being pulled/pushed through an aisle with limited leg room, past people who are seated. I’m sure that any stumbling he does is either because of other people or trying to avoid other people.
Did Roy have any comment when UNC fans booed TJ Yates?
TJ who?
-Roy Williams
First, 100!
Second, Roy botched this one, and he’s playing into the hands of the ABC crowd. There are people who’ve been sitting on the sidelines watching banners get hoisted, stadiums getting renamed, etc., etc., etc., who need something to have a litter of kittens over. Congrats, enjoy the red meat, courtesy of Uncky Roy.
Third, Roy was frustrated at the fat cats who ditched out on the lower tier games. Bad news Roy: You’re not in Kansas anymore. The Dean Dome was built with someone else’s money (what do you think this is? West Raleigh?). You have to understand the basic property right of the owner of that ticket: if your scheduling doesn’t appeal to them, they have the right not to come. He got mad, and in the heat of the moment, didn’t realize how much power he had, b/c the waiving of his finger got that kid tossed. He needs to own up to the fact that he should have ignored it, and lost control of it once he failed to do so. Reason #2 why you don’t engage the fans (See Artest, Ron, for Reason #1).
Fourth, I think we’ve seen the last free throw Deon Thompson will ever make in a UNC uniform. College Park and H.I.S. are going to be tough places to shoot a free throw.
Fifth, I believe my friend Nino is slightly incorrect. SLowe didn’t get the job at State b/c he’s a State alum. He isn’t.
I can’t wait for Deon to shoot a free throw at Cameron.